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YTPMVタグに代わる楽曲再現タグの導入

zatto Edited
#1

"YTPMV_1"の語を新設し、"楽曲再現", "song recomposed by source"のような意味で定義したタグに飛ばすようにしたいです。

私が視聴している日本語圏では音合わせが主題となる作品に付与されるYTPMVタグですが、英語圏ではYoutube環境における音MADタグと同様の機能を持つと認識しており、また歴史的には後者の意味合いが先で前者が派生的な用法であるという認識です。

音MADやそれと同等の意味合いを持つタグの扱いについては将来的に段階的な廃止がされる旨が先駆の議論でされていますが、特にYTPMVでは前述した両用法で登録され続けられています。
前半参考: t98, t33.3, t85.5

今回、以下を提案したいです。

  1. タグ"YTPMV_1"を作成する
  2. "YTPMV_1"に文化的命名ではなく意味を由来とした別名を追加する
  3. 意味的な名前をベースとして設定する

手順1は、"YTPMV"タグを設定する際に予測候補機能で意味的な名前が提案され、付与を容易にすることを意図したものです。どのみち今ある作品に対する作業もあると思うので、漏れがあっても少しずつ付与できれば良いと考えています。
意味的な名前については、ひとまず私案として"楽曲再現", "song recomposed by source"を提案します。

将来的にYTPMVタグがどのように運用されるにしろ、日本語圏などで見られるような用法との使い分けは必ず必要となると考えるため、専用のタグを今の段階で導入してもいいのではないかと思います。元々の意味合いでのYTPMVについてあまり詳しくなく、また関連議論に対して参考リンク以外をあまり読み込めていないので、ご意見など伺えれば幸いです。

#2

I think it's good as far as it goes to strip out a layer of meaning from the term "YTPMV". However I don't think an alias like YTPMV/YTPMV_1 is appropriate. I can understand the rationale when it comes for autocomplete or suggestions, but so we should try to find another way since I imagine an alias that looks similar but serves a different purpose is going to be extremely confusing. Perhaps an explicitly disambiguated name would work like "YTPMV_(something more explciit)", but I'm not sure about this either.

So I do think the direction is sound, perhaps the exact names in each language are up for more discussion... I'd like to hear what others may say here. It would be an important step towards deprecating the famous clique of tags in question. As stated previously we encourage the community to establish more new tags like this that serve more semantically coherent purposes as replacements-to-come.

#3

I agree with lachrymal (t162.2), the proposed tag is a good idea. I find the wording of the English translation "song recomposed by source" a little awkward, but that's not a big deal now. I'm also weary that aliasing "YTPMV_1" to the tag for the same reason lachrymal shared. I also think that if the tag were aliased to "YTPMV_1", non-Japanese users in the future will interpret it as a definition for "YTPMV" as a whole and believe that a YTPMV cannot be anything else other than covering songs with sources. Perhaps this could be remedied with the alias "YTPMV (Japanese sense)" but I'm still not in favor of this.

As for wording, I've informally heard some refer such works as "cover videos." I don't think that should be the English alias but I thought I'd mention it here.

zatto Edited
#4

t162.2: t162.3:
That’s certainly correct.

  1. Tag "YTPMV_(melodius work usage)"

The suggestion changes to it. It doesn't tell the perfect intention, but it looks YTPMV_(melodius work) => song recomposed by source or YTPMV_(melodius work) => 楽曲再現 by tagging.
If you have better terms, please suggest it… (I’m not very good at English)

#5

t162.4:
or "YTPMV_(Japanese sense)" is nice. Finnaly, we can look the explaining tag.

#6

t162.3:
Thank you for "cover video" information too. It sets on alias.

#7

これを除いた最後の投稿から1週間後からちまちまと作業したいと思います

#8

t162.7: Feel free to work on it if/when you feel like it. The names can be adjusted later.

#9

t162.8: Thank you. I start tagging!