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Regional and YTPMV-adjacent works

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__tacoguy
#1

There are several works, which don't seem to fit the YTPMVs/音MADs for some reason and I'm not sure how to handle these. I've stumbled on it while adding some regional Russian works, which were approved by moderators, these seem to be right on the edge between Memes, Right Versions, YTPMVs and 音MADs, many of which are regionally significant works.
Initially I asked @NerdooderN regarding this, he suggested that any musically sampled sources should be fine, but we quickly came to the conclusion that it should be discussed further with more people.

I'll split these into several categories, starting with Right Versions:

Then there are works which are called Meme Music Videos (MMVs) or Turbo Remixes in Russia, which are most similar to YTPMVs, use known sources from them, but have more regional flavor, I'd say:

These (and many other) works of such genre were approved:

Some similar works are tagged by authors as RYTPMVs and are approved:

And there are similar English works, which aren't YTPMVs nor 音MADs:

Some of these work similar to Right Versions, partially replacing lyrics:

Approved ones:

And on top of that there are many regional Right Versions:

Many of them share sources and ideas with YTPMVs and 音MADs such as these:

If more clarifications or examples are needed, I'll respond as soon as I can.

SuperNick Edited
#2

I am a firm believer that this site should cover all bases when it comes to music remixes based around sampling. I have added plenty of works from people who may not even know what YTPMV or 音MAD is. Never the less, I think they are an important part of the creator space, and their works have enough in common with YTPMV or 音MAD that making a distinction like "X should count but Y shouldn't" is a completely fruitless endeavor. As long as there is a musical and sampling component it should be fine for the site. Some may disagree with me on this, but I feel strongly that having more freedom for the types of content added is more useful than trying to stick rigidly to just YTPMV and 音MAD, especially since those are terms with extremely thin boundaries anyways.

When it comes to tagging these edge case works, I think general rule of thumb is to call it whatever the creators call it. If they say its a "right version" or a "meme remix" or what have you then that's what I put on the video. If they don't specify one way or another I don't add any clarifying tags. It has been said by admins that in the future they'd like to phase out tags like this anyways in favor of more ridged tags with concrete definitions, so I don't think you need to belabor too much about how they are tagged.

__tacoguy
#3

t85.2: Should I wait for someone else to respond or I can safely add all of these works and more similar ones on top?

SuperNick
#4

t85.3: I say go ahead. Most people I've talked to about this topic in the past seem to agree with my notion anyways.

lachrymal Edited
#5

Dropping in as an administrator. We address this somewhat here in the FAQ: https://otodb.net/wiki/faq#what-counts-as-a-work. The upshot is that, yes, these should be approved.

I will comment however that the discussions here thus far have been framing YTPMV/Otomad as something well-defined. I personally think this is far from the reality. I expect that we continue to have this sort of discussions going forward from time to time. @SuperNick has spoken accurately regarding our position on the tags in question describing the nature of works such as YTPMV or Otomad -- we need to phase them out eventually, see previous response at t33.3. Hence we heavily encourage the use of more specific tags. In this case it would mean articulating why exactly you feel that this isn't quite a traditional YTPMV/Otomad (whatever they may mean to you) and encapsulating these differences as tags.

P.S. We expect a level of consistency and coherence when it comes to the applicability of tags. So tagging something because any arbitrary person (whether the author(s) or not) says so is not the correct metric of evaluation. It is precisely because adequate coherence cannot be attained with the tags in question that we want them to eventually be deprecated.

__tacoguy
#6

t85.5: I did read the FAQ, but I don't really see anything other than YTPMV or 音MAD being mentioned. Even though it says it's hard to tell which one should count as the one, there are still no examples of which should count as the appropriate work for the website in general. I agree with tag deprecation, though one note I want to add regarding "autotune" tag mentioned at t33.3 is that it should be separate from general tune tag and manual tune, which can also be called formant-preserving or monophonic pitch.

__tacoguy
#7

Either way, thanks for your time and answers

lachrymal
#8

We will not be providing examples of what should and should not be indexed at this time because we don't want to pursue a prescriptivist approach when it comes to the works in question.